Comments on: wall of infamy http://www.runningland.com/2007/10/09/wall-of-infamy/ wisdom and tripe from a lifetime runner Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:48:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Mark http://www.runningland.com/2007/10/09/wall-of-infamy/comment-page-1/#comment-54191 Mark Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:57:30 +0000 http://www.runningland.com/2007/10/09/wall-of-infamy/#comment-54191 @Skip: Just because this is not on your list of priorities doesn't mean you should belittle it. It is very important to some people. In fact, it affects some people's lives and livelihoods so I'd say it certainly is an important enough issue that it shouldn't be outright blown off as you have. Cheers, Mark @Skip: Just because this is not on your list of priorities doesn’t mean you should belittle it. It is very important to some people. In fact, it affects some people’s lives and livelihoods so I’d say it certainly is an important enough issue that it shouldn’t be outright blown off as you have.

Cheers,
Mark

]]> By: Skip http://www.runningland.com/2007/10/09/wall-of-infamy/comment-page-1/#comment-54189 Skip Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:53:52 +0000 http://www.runningland.com/2007/10/09/wall-of-infamy/#comment-54189 Let it go. People have been making mistakes since the beginning of time. While I have no proof Marion was clean during her days at UNC, who cares. Its sports. Yes, just sports. Hopefully Congress will figure out we don't need hearings on steroid use in baseball but hearings on how to pay teachers more, educate our children to compete in a global society and other more pressing social issues. With two teenage boys I'm concerned about college admissions, grade point averages and college tuition. Skip Miller UNC 81 Let it go. People have been making mistakes since the beginning of time. While I have no proof Marion was clean during her days at UNC, who cares. Its sports. Yes, just sports. Hopefully Congress will figure out we don’t need hearings on steroid use in baseball but hearings on how to pay teachers more, educate our children to compete in a global society and other more pressing social issues. With two teenage boys I’m concerned about college admissions, grade point averages and college tuition. Skip Miller UNC 81

]]> By: Heather MacFalls http://www.runningland.com/2007/10/09/wall-of-infamy/comment-page-1/#comment-52478 Heather MacFalls Fri, 04 Jan 2008 04:48:24 +0000 http://www.runningland.com/2007/10/09/wall-of-infamy/#comment-52478 Joan - We just listened to the interview. Way to go! The criminal debate is again relevant as Marion's sob story drags on. It is unbelievable that she has the gall to publicly plead for mercy, despite the history of check fraud ON TOP OF cheating/stealing. All wrapped up in a well-documented web of lies. The inevitable discovery of her additional off-shore bank accounts can't come soon enough. It's interesting that Sue Humphrey would have written a letter for Marion's behalf. Here's some food for thought in the form of 2004 Humphrey quotes, which highlighted their intentions to send a clean roster to Athens. Sincere? "The designer steroid THG (tetrahydrogestrinone) has been in the headlines lately, and some U.S. Olympic team members have had positive drug tests, including sprinter deluxe Kelli White. It's a problem, and one U.S. Olympic Track and Field committee members want to clean up before Athens." "It's very unfortunate some athletes, some very nice and intelligent people, have found it necessary to cheat," said Humphrey. "They have allowed themselves to be influenced into using drugs, or they have decided that's the only way they can succeed. It's got a lot of people wondering." "It takes talent and hard work times three to succeed. Too many people are looking for a quick way out in America. We all want testing, and we all want clean testing. The trials are in mid-July in Sacramento, and we want to get the test results back quickly because we want a clean team when we leave for Athens. We want no surprises there. Our roster deadline is right after the Trials, and we want to be confident in our team when we turn that roster in." Joan - We just listened to the interview. Way to go!

The criminal debate is again relevant as Marion’s sob story drags on. It is unbelievable that she has the gall to publicly plead for mercy, despite the history of check fraud ON TOP OF cheating/stealing. All wrapped up in a well-documented web of lies. The inevitable discovery of her additional off-shore bank accounts can’t come soon enough.

It’s interesting that Sue Humphrey would have written a letter for Marion’s behalf. Here’s some food for thought in the form of 2004 Humphrey quotes, which highlighted their intentions to send a clean roster to Athens. Sincere?

“The designer steroid THG (tetrahydrogestrinone) has been in the headlines lately, and some U.S. Olympic team members have had positive drug tests, including sprinter deluxe Kelli White. It’s a problem, and one U.S. Olympic Track and Field committee members want to clean up before Athens.”

“It’s very unfortunate some athletes, some very nice and intelligent people, have found it necessary to cheat,” said Humphrey. “They have allowed themselves to be influenced into using drugs, or they have decided that’s the only way they can succeed. It’s got a lot of people wondering.”

“It takes talent and hard work times three to succeed. Too many people are looking for a quick way out in America. We all want testing, and we all want clean testing. The trials are in mid-July in Sacramento, and we want to get the test results back quickly because we want a clean team when we leave for Athens. We want no surprises there. Our roster deadline is right after the Trials, and we want to be confident in our team when we turn that roster in.”

]]> By: tara http://www.runningland.com/2007/10/09/wall-of-infamy/comment-page-1/#comment-47581 tara Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:46:55 +0000 http://www.runningland.com/2007/10/09/wall-of-infamy/#comment-47581 Today is the day. The media is covering it -- http://www.wral.com/sports/story/2160541/ Today is the day. The media is covering it — http://www.wral.com/sports/story/2160541/

]]> By: Joan http://www.runningland.com/2007/10/09/wall-of-infamy/comment-page-1/#comment-35340 Joan Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:05:27 +0000 http://www.runningland.com/2007/10/09/wall-of-infamy/#comment-35340 Check out sprinter, Lauren Wiliams', thoughts on Marion: http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=2163434 Thanks for all your comments, guys. Maybe someday I'll only have to rant about traffic on I-40. here's to hoping!! Check out sprinter, Lauren Wiliams’, thoughts on Marion:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=2163434

Thanks for all your comments, guys.
Maybe someday I’ll only have to rant about traffic on I-40.
here’s to hoping!!

]]> By: Blake Russell http://www.runningland.com/2007/10/09/wall-of-infamy/comment-page-1/#comment-35337 Blake Russell Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:10:05 +0000 http://www.runningland.com/2007/10/09/wall-of-infamy/#comment-35337 To show everyone how rampant drugs are in track and field, the "real gold" medalist that the first poster alluded to is also up for a drug suspension after dodging several tests. I can't remember her name, a greek sprinter. I believe the IAAF would like to award a second bronze medal to the fourth place finisher to avoid having to give a gold medal to another cheat. Life-time bans- criminal offense is the only way to go! Thanks Joan. To show everyone how rampant drugs are in track and field, the “real gold” medalist that the first poster alluded to is also up for a drug suspension after dodging several tests. I can’t remember her name, a greek sprinter. I believe the IAAF would like to award a second bronze medal to the fourth place finisher to avoid having to give a gold medal to another cheat. Life-time bans- criminal offense is the only way to go! Thanks Joan.

]]> By: Steve http://www.runningland.com/2007/10/09/wall-of-infamy/comment-page-1/#comment-35305 Steve Thu, 11 Oct 2007 02:43:42 +0000 http://www.runningland.com/2007/10/09/wall-of-infamy/#comment-35305 All of this is just so sad; it leaves me completely disillusioned. I knew that Marion was cheating, but I wanted to believe it wasn't true. I knew that all the cyclists cheat, but I wanted to fool myself and think that some of them -- maybe Landis, maybe Rasmussen, maybe Vino, maybe Lance -- were clean. I really want to think that Geb is clean. What did he average for the marathon when he set his world best a couple weeks ago? 4:44 per mile, I think. Is that even possible without drugs? I want to think so, but I doubt it. All of this is just so sad; it leaves me completely disillusioned. I knew that Marion was cheating, but I wanted to believe it wasn’t true. I knew that all the cyclists cheat, but I wanted to fool myself and think that some of them — maybe Landis, maybe Rasmussen, maybe Vino, maybe Lance — were clean. I really want to think that Geb is clean. What did he average for the marathon when he set his world best a couple weeks ago? 4:44 per mile, I think. Is that even possible without drugs? I want to think so, but I doubt it.

]]> By: Mark http://www.runningland.com/2007/10/09/wall-of-infamy/comment-page-1/#comment-35277 Mark Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:05:33 +0000 http://www.runningland.com/2007/10/09/wall-of-infamy/#comment-35277 Way to go, Joan. I'd like to ask you a question if I may? One of the things that makes me mad about all this is that Jones only got a two-year suspension compared to Ben Johnson's lifetime suspension. Now, I know that Johnson got two years and then life on his second offense. HOWEVER, it's been proven Jones has been cheating since before 2000 - a LONG time. What do you think? Thanks! Way to go, Joan. I’d like to ask you a question if I may?

One of the things that makes me mad about all this is that Jones only got a two-year suspension compared to Ben Johnson’s lifetime suspension.

Now, I know that Johnson got two years and then life on his second offense. HOWEVER, it’s been proven Jones has been cheating since before 2000 - a LONG time.

What do you think? Thanks!

]]> By: Joe Papp http://www.runningland.com/2007/10/09/wall-of-infamy/comment-page-1/#comment-35263 Joe Papp Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:51:35 +0000 http://www.runningland.com/2007/10/09/wall-of-infamy/#comment-35263 Hi Joan, thanks for posting my email to you. I'm glad your readers can see my response, and my original offer to conduct further discourse via phone still stands. Best wishes, Joe Hi Joan, thanks for posting my email to you. I’m glad your readers can see my response, and my original offer to conduct further discourse via phone still stands. Best wishes, Joe

]]> By: George - FFSG http://www.runningland.com/2007/10/09/wall-of-infamy/comment-page-1/#comment-35261 George - FFSG Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:20:53 +0000 http://www.runningland.com/2007/10/09/wall-of-infamy/#comment-35261 Joan, I agree with you. Other athletes who worked hard and did it fairly have had lost out on shoe contracts and other endorsement deals because of these cheating thieves. It is nice that the real gold medalist will get her medals now, but she lost out on the benefits that would have come had she been awarded the gold medal when she earned it. (Or when if was stolen from her.) Wish I was a UNC Alumni to put pressure on them to remove Marion from the wall. Go Joan, you are right and it needs to be shouted!! Joan, I agree with you. Other athletes who worked hard and did it fairly have had lost out on shoe contracts and other endorsement deals because of these cheating thieves.

It is nice that the real gold medalist will get her medals now, but she lost out on the benefits that would have come had she been awarded the gold medal when she earned it. (Or when if was stolen from her.)

Wish I was a UNC Alumni to put pressure on them to remove Marion from the wall.

Go Joan, you are right and it needs to be shouted!!

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