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		<title>By: Alison S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 21:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is Lori Carswell's daughter. (I ran XC and track at Phillips and i came across this online). Vegetarianism isn't hard at all, in many ways it is actually easier. YOU SHOULD LET HER GO VEGGIE! I became vegetarianism for the same reasons as Sarah Jane, and they are very good reasons indeed. 
Advice; I really like the Morning Star brand patties as an alternative to the meat  the rest of the family is eating. I easily get enough protein, but I always take a vitamin with iron in it, just in case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is Lori Carswell&#8217;s daughter. (I ran XC and track at Phillips and i came across this online). Vegetarianism isn&#8217;t hard at all, in many ways it is actually easier. YOU SHOULD LET HER GO VEGGIE! I became vegetarianism for the same reasons as Sarah Jane, and they are very good reasons indeed.<br />
Advice; I really like the Morning Star brand patties as an alternative to the meat  the rest of the family is eating. I easily get enough protein, but I always take a vitamin with iron in it, just in case.</p>
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		<title>By: jeanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 02:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If my daughter wrote an essay like that I'd be THRILLED that she was such a great and thoughtful writer! I think her arguments are very sound and well thought out. Kudos to her and to you for raising such a smart kid!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If my daughter wrote an essay like that I&#8217;d be THRILLED that she was such a great and thoughtful writer! I think her arguments are very sound and well thought out. Kudos to her and to you for raising such a smart kid!</p>
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		<title>By: Lori Carswell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori Carswell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Sarah's essay is terrific, and she has obviously put a lot of thought into her decision.  My daughter, who is also 14 and also an 8th-grade runner, has been a vegetarian since September.  Her reasons were exactly the same as the reasons Sarah has presented you in this essay (but unfortunately she didn't write me such a wonderful essay!) Initially I thought she would only last a week or two, but it proved to be a real lifestyle change.  
I've changed my cooking somewhat, eat more vegetarian (and healthier ) myself, and the whole family eats more vegetables than we used to.  I think you should let Sarah give it a try, if you haven't already.  I also think you should definitely take her up on her offer to cook for herself and share the kitchen with you.  You may find that a whole new world opens up of healthy cooking and sharing meal planning with her.  It's really not as hard as it may seem.  Good luck (and let me know if you need any recipes or cookbook recommendations... ) See you at the McDougle-Phillips track meet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Sarah&#8217;s essay is terrific, and she has obviously put a lot of thought into her decision.  My daughter, who is also 14 and also an 8th-grade runner, has been a vegetarian since September.  Her reasons were exactly the same as the reasons Sarah has presented you in this essay (but unfortunately she didn&#8217;t write me such a wonderful essay!) Initially I thought she would only last a week or two, but it proved to be a real lifestyle change.<br />
I&#8217;ve changed my cooking somewhat, eat more vegetarian (and healthier ) myself, and the whole family eats more vegetables than we used to.  I think you should let Sarah give it a try, if you haven&#8217;t already.  I also think you should definitely take her up on her offer to cook for herself and share the kitchen with you.  You may find that a whole new world opens up of healthy cooking and sharing meal planning with her.  It&#8217;s really not as hard as it may seem.  Good luck (and let me know if you need any recipes or cookbook recommendations&#8230; ) See you at the McDougle-Phillips track meet?</p>
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		<title>By: David Black</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your daughter is well-informed about vegetarianism.  As a college sophomore in 1973, I became a vegetarian for similar reasons (ethical, ecological, health--in that order).  I'm still a vegetarian (and a runner) with no regrets about my decision.  See a recent book co-written by Peter Singer (Why We Eat) for a thorough discussion of the meaning and consequences of our dietary choices.  At first my family tolerated my "odd" decision, later they supported it, still later they too began shifting towards a plant-based diet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your daughter is well-informed about vegetarianism.  As a college sophomore in 1973, I became a vegetarian for similar reasons (ethical, ecological, health&#8211;in that order).  I&#8217;m still a vegetarian (and a runner) with no regrets about my decision.  See a recent book co-written by Peter Singer (Why We Eat) for a thorough discussion of the meaning and consequences of our dietary choices.  At first my family tolerated my &#8220;odd&#8221; decision, later they supported it, still later they too began shifting towards a plant-based diet.</p>
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		<title>By: thronedoggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>thronedoggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm....the "sentient beings, not food choices" is a bit suspect; you're free to call a chicken "sentient" if you wish, but it will leave me doubting your sentience :)

....I've gone mostly flexitarian myself, but not from any ethical or religious reasons; my own push in that direction came from a New York Times article published in January:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/magazine/28nutritionism.t.html?ex=1176264000&#38;en=92b8c4a2994cb1a3&#38;ei=5070

However - while I certainly agree that anybody can eat whatever they want, I'm not about to let a child in my home dictate the family menu. Nor am I going to support exceptions; my first wife made her meal, then she cooked whatever the boys wanted to eat individually. Not only was this a bit of an unnecessary hardship; it also allowed the boys to grow up with a very restrictive diet (what they WANTED) and a sense of entitlement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;.the &#8220;sentient beings, not food choices&#8221; is a bit suspect; you&#8217;re free to call a chicken &#8220;sentient&#8221; if you wish, but it will leave me doubting your sentience <img src='http://www.runningland.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8230;.I&#8217;ve gone mostly flexitarian myself, but not from any ethical or religious reasons; my own push in that direction came from a New York Times article published in January:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/magazine/28nutritionism.t.html?ex=1176264000&amp;en=92b8c4a2994cb1a3&amp;ei=5070" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/magazine/28nutritionism.t.html?ex=1176264000&amp;en=92b8c4a2994cb1a3&amp;ei=5070</a></p>
<p>However - while I certainly agree that anybody can eat whatever they want, I&#8217;m not about to let a child in my home dictate the family menu. Nor am I going to support exceptions; my first wife made her meal, then she cooked whatever the boys wanted to eat individually. Not only was this a bit of an unnecessary hardship; it also allowed the boys to grow up with a very restrictive diet (what they WANTED) and a sense of entitlement.</p>
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		<title>By: jd</title>
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		<dc:creator>jd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 14:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A well written essay that she obviously put a lot of thought and effort into. 

I have a running partner that is vegetarian and she is perfectly healthy. 

I eat much meat and we get along just fine; I respect ehr decision and she respects mine, even though I am constantly picking on her about it.

I would be concerned about the PETA reference. They are a fanatical group that has proven support to many "terror" organizations in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A well written essay that she obviously put a lot of thought and effort into. </p>
<p>I have a running partner that is vegetarian and she is perfectly healthy. </p>
<p>I eat much meat and we get along just fine; I respect ehr decision and she respects mine, even though I am constantly picking on her about it.</p>
<p>I would be concerned about the PETA reference. They are a fanatical group that has proven support to many &#8220;terror&#8221; organizations in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Tara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 11:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a cool kid!  You should be beaming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a cool kid!  You should be beaming.</p>
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		<title>By: JOCKO</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOCKO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful essay!

I think you should let her experiment with this lifestyle as long as she explains the health benefits of each and every meal that she cooks in lieu of partaking in what you have made for the family.  If she gives a logical argument for what she is eating, why not let her skip the meat?

As long as she does not get lazy and start eating cereal for every meal, I think she will be fine choosing soy over chicken.  SJ just needs to make sure that she remains         vigilant in giving her body what it needs to grow healthy and strong.  Ignoring much needed protein and iron in the diet can lead to serious problems, so a life decision such as this cannot be made lightly.

It appears that SJ has done her research, and truly feels as though this is the right thing for her to do.  When you consider the petty things that most teenage girls are worried about at her age, the fact that she has concerned herself with this decision speaks volumes about her character.  

I wish you all the best of luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful essay!</p>
<p>I think you should let her experiment with this lifestyle as long as she explains the health benefits of each and every meal that she cooks in lieu of partaking in what you have made for the family.  If she gives a logical argument for what she is eating, why not let her skip the meat?</p>
<p>As long as she does not get lazy and start eating cereal for every meal, I think she will be fine choosing soy over chicken.  SJ just needs to make sure that she remains         vigilant in giving her body what it needs to grow healthy and strong.  Ignoring much needed protein and iron in the diet can lead to serious problems, so a life decision such as this cannot be made lightly.</p>
<p>It appears that SJ has done her research, and truly feels as though this is the right thing for her to do.  When you consider the petty things that most teenage girls are worried about at her age, the fact that she has concerned herself with this decision speaks volumes about her character.  </p>
<p>I wish you all the best of luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Blaine Moore (Run to Win)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blaine Moore (Run to Win)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a few responses.

First, her argument is weaker because it uses evidence from PETA.  The entire organization is founded on hypocrisy and I tend to discount anything that they support or that is supported with evidence provided by them.  I fail to see how taking animals out of shelters by telling the shelters you will find homes for them and then killing the dogs and cats and leaving their carcasses in public parks on a regular basis is very ethical, and that is just the most recent atrocity that I have heard from that organization.

Second, it is a very well written and well thought out essay.  However, the decision does not necessarily have to effect the entire family.

Everybody is entitled to eat whatever they want.  Technically, your daughter lives under your roof and should abide by your rules, but my wife's family had to go through a similar situation when she was growing up.  Her sister decided to become a vegetarian and refused to eat the family meals.  Their solution was to allow her to cook her own meals while they just made less of what they were eating or had more left overs.  Problem solved.

If she can find a diet that fits her lifestyle and allows her to be healthy, then there really should be no problems.  She does not insist that you change your habits (which I wouldn't put up with if it happened in my household; I don't put up with it when it happens to me outside of my household), only that you respect her decision to change her habits.

I joke with my wife about becoming a vegetarian for health reasons, but while I am actively consuming more vegetarian meals (at least 3 or 4 per week now) I have no intention of ever giving up fish (unless I for some reason move away from the ocean) and probably would not give up poultry.  

I also have no problems with the way that animals are grown and slaughtered in order to feed me, and that argument would never sway my line of thinking.  I respect others to not wish to support the practice, as long as they respect my right to not be bothered by it.  As for comparing cats to pigs and dogs to cows, they can all be eaten.  I have never eaten a cat or a dog, but there are plenty of cultures that consider them a source of food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a few responses.</p>
<p>First, her argument is weaker because it uses evidence from PETA.  The entire organization is founded on hypocrisy and I tend to discount anything that they support or that is supported with evidence provided by them.  I fail to see how taking animals out of shelters by telling the shelters you will find homes for them and then killing the dogs and cats and leaving their carcasses in public parks on a regular basis is very ethical, and that is just the most recent atrocity that I have heard from that organization.</p>
<p>Second, it is a very well written and well thought out essay.  However, the decision does not necessarily have to effect the entire family.</p>
<p>Everybody is entitled to eat whatever they want.  Technically, your daughter lives under your roof and should abide by your rules, but my wife&#8217;s family had to go through a similar situation when she was growing up.  Her sister decided to become a vegetarian and refused to eat the family meals.  Their solution was to allow her to cook her own meals while they just made less of what they were eating or had more left overs.  Problem solved.</p>
<p>If she can find a diet that fits her lifestyle and allows her to be healthy, then there really should be no problems.  She does not insist that you change your habits (which I wouldn&#8217;t put up with if it happened in my household; I don&#8217;t put up with it when it happens to me outside of my household), only that you respect her decision to change her habits.</p>
<p>I joke with my wife about becoming a vegetarian for health reasons, but while I am actively consuming more vegetarian meals (at least 3 or 4 per week now) I have no intention of ever giving up fish (unless I for some reason move away from the ocean) and probably would not give up poultry.  </p>
<p>I also have no problems with the way that animals are grown and slaughtered in order to feed me, and that argument would never sway my line of thinking.  I respect others to not wish to support the practice, as long as they respect my right to not be bothered by it.  As for comparing cats to pigs and dogs to cows, they can all be eaten.  I have never eaten a cat or a dog, but there are plenty of cultures that consider them a source of food.</p>
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		<title>By: Joan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Her dad asked her the same thing (he's a Shakespeare professor, by the way; wise to undergraduate internet tricks of plagiarism).  He asked, "Did you copy and paste any of it?" And she said she wrote every word herself!
I like that she realizes it's a whole family decision.
Thanks for your comment, Wayne!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Her dad asked her the same thing (he&#8217;s a Shakespeare professor, by the way; wise to undergraduate internet tricks of plagiarism).  He asked, &#8220;Did you copy and paste any of it?&#8221; And she said she wrote every word herself!<br />
I like that she realizes it&#8217;s a whole family decision.<br />
Thanks for your comment, Wayne!</p>
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